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Old 17-07-2002, 09:08 PM   #1
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Wanna be watched?

From August net service providers in the UK will be legally obliged to carry out surveillance of some customers' web habits on behalf of the police.

Controversial laws passed in 2000 oblige large communications companies to install technology that allows one in 10,000 of their customers to be watched. The information gathered about what people look at on the web, the content of e-mail messages and their phone conversations will be passed to the police or a government monitoring station.

The demands have been criticised by experts who say the law conflicts with basic guarantees of privacy and that the government is not doing enough to help pay for the installation of the surveillance systems.

The controversial Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act was passed in October 2000 and gave law enforcement agencies sweeping powers to snoop on the electronic lives of citizens.

The Act demands that organisations it dubs Communication Service Providers (CSP) - broadly anyone that helps people keep in touch via the web, fax machine or phone - install technology that can automatically monitor what many of their customers are doing. It also demands that service providers start monitoring a customer within 24 hours of being told that the police or other investigation agencies want to snoop on them. The information collected must also be passed on electronically to the agency which asked for the snooping to start.

A spokesman for the Home Office said 1 August was the day on which the new surveillance regime would start, even though the technology to do the watching are yet to be installed. He said only law enforcement agencies would have the power to ask for the surveillance to start. Police would have to get a warrant from the Home Office before they could ask for surveillance to start, he said, and it would only be used to gather evidence about serious crimes.

Roland Perry, public policy director for the London Internet Exchange which interconnects the networks of net service companies, said the government was still working out how best to put the surveillance systems in place. "It's a very long-term project," he said. "The whole thing will be done on a one-to-one basis with the individual companies concerned."

Service providers have asked for help to buy the equipment needed to set up the permanent interception capability.

"The Home Office has said it would contribute 20m to this but the net industry has said it will cost a lot more than that," said Ian Brown, director of the Foundation for Information Policy Research.

The Internet Service Providers Association has warned about the potentially huge costs of installing surveillance equipment to meet the demands of the RIP Act and the recently passed Anti-Terrorism, Crime and Security Act.

A spokesman for the organisation said it was still seeking clarification over the types of data its members were supposed to be catching, how long it had to be stored for and who would pay for the storage. Mr Brown said one of the few safeguards on the snooping system was the fact that the agencies asking for the surveillance to be carried out will be charged to use it. "This means agencies have to make a judgement whether it's worth making a request if it costs a few hundred pounds to do it," said Mr Brown.
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Old 17-07-2002, 09:24 PM   #2
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time to install that encription system on emails then..
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Old 17-07-2002, 09:26 PM   #3
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i run my own mail server, so they can f*ck off with that idea.

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Old 17-07-2002, 09:43 PM   #4
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Its nice to be in the position where all the mail servers i use are on servers i directly (mostly) administer. So it doesnt affect me at all.

I'm 50/50 on the subject, yes its an invasion of privacy, but if it stops one gang killing, organised football riot or Sept. 11th its gotta be worth it ?

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Old 17-07-2002, 09:57 PM   #5
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I dont care i have nothing to hide

those emails from rash were misdirected - my story will never change..
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Old 17-07-2002, 11:03 PM   #6
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Porn isnt illegal, im happy the police are happy




Still I dont like the idea at all - It's a blatent invasion of privacy
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Old 17-07-2002, 11:24 PM   #7
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GOD DAMN J00 GAZ STEALING MY COBAIN SIGS


on the subject, i agree with rob and gaz, i have nothing to hide, so im not concerned about any criminal things that could be bought against me, tho i do regard it as an invasion of privacy...

catch 22 innit
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Old 17-07-2002, 11:29 PM   #8
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Old 17-07-2002, 11:43 PM   #9
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do us a copy first... erm, ooops

i got nothing to hide either (at least nothing im stupid enuf to email or talk about on a landline )

/me shuts up now :X , hehe
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Old 18-07-2002, 12:03 AM   #10
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I normally have a rage one but I thought I would have a change
It looks more leet if you lines no one really knows.

If you think, this could quite easily backfire on whoever is behind it - It's not gonna take forever before people start making calls saying
'We are gonna commit serveral murders in this town'
and then go and commit several murders in another town.

Personally I dont there is a whole lot to be gained from it.

When your talking and sending e-mails it's always gonna be in the back of your mind that the authorities may see this. Imo I think ISP's would have been better off putting something in the small print saying it's ok for them to do it and you agree with it and doing it then.

Maybe im talking bollox but that's my opinion
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Old 18-07-2002, 12:19 AM   #11
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they have been taping phone conversations, triggered with keywords for years.

theres loads of HUGE listening posts all around the country (mostly owned by america) but we have plenty as well.

its nothing new, there just being a bit more honest about it now TBH .
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Old 18-07-2002, 12:21 AM   #12
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yeh my old man used to do a lot of that kinda shit for the police...

still think its an invasion of privacy if they havent got a valid reason to do it tho
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Old 18-07-2002, 01:48 AM   #13
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Yup, all those Golf Balls and stuff.

There's a huge American Airbase on a hillside near me.

Dodgy as hell, and that's why they encryption that is too complex is actually illegal in Britain, because they can't decode it.
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Old 18-07-2002, 08:51 AM   #14
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I remember when 128Bit came out a few years back. It was considered arms trafficing or sommit if you gave it US sanctioned.


Well im going to get my PGP setup.

Like Gaza said. If it was in the small print I would mind.
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dont quite understand how running your own mail server is gonna stop it tbh...
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Old 18-07-2002, 09:23 AM   #16
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Gambino;

I expect the software has to be installed on the server.

So thats good in itself.

And with it being their own server, no middle man (or isp in this matter)....

I'd use PGP, only prob is, everyone you mail needs to have it, otherwise they cant read the email...

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I'm wondering.. Emails.. Web Access... does that include downloads?

I'm fscked if it does.

I still think that their spying technique is an invasion of privacy tho..
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^ Colio.

They would have to install it on the server, otherwise your talking about the government hacking boxes to gain access. The only other way they could do it, would be to have all ISPs track the traffic from your PC that resemble a mail port, and if they do that, ill change my pop3 and smtp ports..

But i cant see them going that far, that kind of load on the farse that is the UK network would just kill it overnight.

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Shox, ta for clearing that up..

I kinda figured as much tho...

its just another PR stunt for the politicians to advertise..

just like the whole "Virtual reality experience"

by the year 2000, we will be living in virtual homes, going virtual shopping and having virtual sex.

Anyone remember that show with craig charles, that was featured in a 3d world that looked like it was developed on a spectrum 48k?

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I'm not so sure if its a PR stunt, but i do honestly belive the whole 'internet thing' scares the pi$$ out of the government. Its effectivly an unpolicable place, and they dont like it..

The email thing is just them trying to convince themselfs they are in control.. Which will never happen tbh.

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