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Old 08-09-2008, 05:17 AM   #1
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Re: Piracy

This anti piracy debate has been covered so many times that I really cba to go into it in detail yet again.

The long and the short of it is that I will buy all my games when the companies stop treating me like a criminal.

I went out and bought Spore yesterday. Then found out that it has this limited online activation malarkey. That isn't going to inconvenience pirates. I know for a fact that impatient people and leechers had been playing the game for 2 days without the online activation making any difference at all.

The person it will make a difference to is me in that if they decide (as they reserve the right to in their T&Cs) switch off the servers then I am left without a game.

Unfortunately I hadn't found out about this activation before I bought it otherwise they would have been down one sale.

As it is that disk is going nowhere near my PC and I have downloaded a pirate copy so that I can actually play the game without the DRM.

I don't understand why they can't see that anti piracy measures that penalise the innocent and honest are doomed to failure and drive people into the arms of the pirates.

Scenario: Little Johnny goes to school and tells his mates that he is going to spend his pocket money on Space Gerbils Intergalactix Frottage Party 5.

His mates all say, "Good luck, the copy protection doesn't work on all DVD drives, you might have to buy a new one (not an exaggeration. It happened to me) and the online activation means that because you're an enthusiast and rebuild your computer regularly you will lose the right to play the game when they switch off the servers."

Result? Johnny goes home, saves his money and downloads the copy of SGIFP5, finds it's so much easier than wading through forums to find out why the game won't work and resolves to download everything from now on.

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Old 08-09-2008, 09:44 AM   #3
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Space Gerbils Intergalactix Frottage Party 5.
TORRENT PLZ!!!1

I buy all the games I play. If a demo of a game isn't available, I'll evaluate a mexican copy before buying - sometimes this leads to a sale, but more often than not the game is a rushed, buggy/unfinished, overhyped sack of **** or PS2 port and I save myself 20-40.
I have absolutely no problem whatsoever buying decent games but I will still use no dvd cracks where possible because as Betty said, some of the anti-piracy measures are ridiculous Bioshock anyone? I bought a game and I'm only allowed to install it 3 times.... what?! Its like buying a movie - you can watch it all you like, but you're only allowed to insert it into the DVD player twice, on the 3rd time you can't watch it anymore. Anyway, no-dvd cracks... COD4, no disc needed for MP as the CD key is checked, but for SP a disc is needed so I use a no-dvd crack for SP only. Yes its lazy, but its a pain keep swapping discs, and I'm not a fan of the mini-isos etc.

Worst thing is (again as Betty said), the only people that the anti-piracy software annoys are genuine, paying gamers. Pirates will download a copy with the DRM stuff stripped out (often days before the game goes on sale) so in all honesty what is the point? Developers/publishers have to pay to licence starforce/securom etc, why not just save the cash or invest it back into the game itself?
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Old 08-09-2008, 11:33 AM   #4
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Sorry to be a pedant here, but when you purchase software, you dont "buy" the software. What you buy is the license to use that software.

Now companys (rightly or wrongly) put restrictions on that license (in the name of anti-piracy) so that 3 strikes or so and you need a new license.
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Old 08-09-2008, 11:58 AM   #5
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Like the last couple have already said, I nearly always 'evaluate' a game before I commit funds to it.
The last couple of times I bought a game on loyalty I was sorely disappointed (UT3)
Like the others, I will where possible use a no-cd/dvd patched executable esp. when I'm going to a LAN, as carting 25DVD boxes around is a royal pain the the behind.
I think Steam is getting it right (slowly) with the whole digital distribution thing, as (so far) it hasn't grumbled about my (frequent) reinstalls, installs on multiple machines (I have a laptop and a desktop, both of which will play most of the games on my steam list) and takes care of most of the CD Keys & anti-piracy stuff.
It's not perfect, but it's pretty close
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Old 08-09-2008, 01:17 PM   #6
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This anti piracy debate has been covered so many times that I really cba to go into it in detail yet again.

The long and the short of it is that I will buy all my games when the companies stop treating me like a criminal.

I went out and bought Spore yesterday. Then found out that it has this limited online activation malarkey. That isn't going to inconvenience pirates. I know for a fact that impatient people and leechers had been playing the game for 2 days without the online activation making any difference at all.

The person it will make a difference to is me in that if they decide (as they reserve the right to in their T&Cs) switch off the servers then I am left without a game.

Unfortunately I hadn't found out about this activation before I bought it otherwise they would have been down one sale.

As it is that disk is going nowhere near my PC and I have downloaded a pirate copy so that I can actually play the game without the DRM.

I don't understand why they can't see that anti piracy measures that penalise the innocent and honest are doomed to failure and drive people into the arms of the pirates.

Scenario: Little Johnny goes to school and tells his mates that he is going to spend his pocket money on Space Gerbils Intergalactix Frottage Party 5.

His mates all say, "Good luck, the copy protection doesn't work on all DVD drives, you might have to buy a new one (not an exaggeration. It happened to me) and the online activation means that because you're an enthusiast and rebuild your computer regularly you will lose the right to play the game when they switch off the servers."

Result? Johnny goes home, saves his money and downloads the copy of SGIFP5, finds it's so much easier than wading through forums to find out why the game won't work and resolves to download everything from now on.

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I think your over reacting there mate, whislt it does have activation its not a big issue at all, install / create a account which also lets you share your creatures online / login and play, theres no more hassle there than creating a online account.
Are you so set in your ways with regards to anti piracy tactics that you refuse to even give it a go?
If you dont like how they go about protecting there products then dont buy it rather than pirate it.
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I download ROMs of old games and I don't care who knows it.

I have Pokemon Blue on my mobile phone - I have a cart of Pokemon Blue in my cupboard.

When my Mega Drive games were stolen from me I had a collection of probably about 100. I download them now, bam, sorted.

If a PC game I own becomes damaged, it's no biggy. Download it. Saves wasting money on another.

I'm not 100% on the laws but I'm fairly sure that's legal.

I agree with BS - it's like movies. I love my DVD's and videos but I do wish I didn't have to sit through a bunch of irritating language choices - one of which means going to the LAST PAGE to choose English - and copyright stuff every single time I want to watch one.
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I agree with BS - it's like movies. I love my DVD's and videos but I do wish I didn't have to sit through a bunch of irritating language choices - one of which means going to the LAST PAGE to choose English - and copyright stuff every single time I want to watch one.
They have started doing that on gay p0rn?

Man i'm glad that ain't my cup of tea.
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Put simple and even though if it discriminates myself !!
If i dont like it i wont buy it - fringe benifit of work is free games and software so at the minute im techincally paying for nothing i own even tho the majority is legitimate.

Not a pikey, just sensible, in real terms i help developers and companies in the long run by distributing there merchandise.

Film wise i would rather watch a ripped version of a dvd with out all the piracy crap options and all that shizzle, dont get me wrong tho i will goto the cinema and pay to watch but dont expect me to pay fortunes on every film that i have seen at the cinema.
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I download movies if I want a movie on my mobile phone.

I know I probably shouldn't because more often than not I do not own the movie, but I don't care - there is no other way of purchasing full movies in .3gp format and even if there was I'll be damned if I'm paying money for a 2x2 inch version of Cloverfield. That's like morons who pay a load of money for "realtone" ringtones (or indeed any magazine or TV advertised mobile phone content). But hey - people go on about downloading music which makes me laugh. You can watch official music videos on YouTube, how is that any different?
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I download movies if I want a movie on my mobile phone.

I know I probably shouldn't because more often than not I do not own the movie, but I don't care - there is no other way of purchasing full movies in .3gp format and even if there was I'll be damned if I'm paying money for a 2x2 inch version of Cloverfield. That's like morons who pay a load of money for "realtone" ringtones (or indeed any magazine or TV advertised mobile phone content). But hey - people go on about downloading music which makes me laugh. You can watch official music videos on YouTube, how is that any different?
Why don't you buy the film and convert it yourself?
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I'm damned if I'm paying all that purely for a mobile phone sized movie.
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I download movies if I want a movie on my mobile phone.

I know I probably shouldn't because more often than not I do not own the movie, but I don't care - there is no other way of purchasing full movies in .3gp format and even if there was I'll be damned if I'm paying money for a 2x2 inch version of Cloverfield. That's like morons who pay a load of money for "realtone" ringtones (or indeed any magazine or TV advertised mobile phone content). But hey - people go on about downloading music which makes me laugh. You can watch official music videos on YouTube, how is that any different?
Depends on how much your time is worth though. Assuming you're on minimum wage (I'm not saying you are, but lets use that as a worst case scenario). That's what, 5/hour now?
Your non-working time is generally viewed at being worth 1.75x the rate of your working time (1.5x on Sats, 2x on Sundays), thus your personal time can be assigned a rate of 8.75/hour --> 14.6p/min.
The ringtones cost maybe 2 off the telly? (again, this is a grey area for me as I tend to switch off when I see those adverts, but 2 seems reasonable to me).
Looking at it from a purely 'is it worth it' perspective, if you spend any more than about 13 and a half minutes to get the mp3, cut out the bit you actually want to use as a ringtone, clean the audio up and then convert it to a format your phone understands, then you're 'better off' poneying up the 2 and downloading said realtone off the telly...
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thats a good analogy Olly, but you forgot the fringe disadvantage of the tv realtones.

The harrassing spam that you get afterwards...where sending stop to whatever number still doesnt seem to work.

that then becomes 10p for every stop message + charge for every spam advert + time to sort the whole fricking mess on the phone to ofcom, network whoever.

After that 13.5 minutes doesnt seem a bad way to create a ringtone.
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Without meaning to derail into discussing mobile phone content, I'll follow up on your post Olly.

Thirteen and a half minutes is a crazy amount of time to get any kind of MP3, but even ignoring that you're quite able to do your own thing as you get it. Regarding chopping it up, using something simple and free like Audacity (the same thing that I've used to record audio from YouTube vids that have a soundtrack I quite fancy) will take a matter of seconds, maybe a minute if you make a mistake.

Admittedly not everybody in the world has the internet, but they aren't on this forum presumably, so nuts to them

And Colio is quite right - most sign you up to a subscription service.
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I am not one for dowloading games and shizzle illegal as I would rather have the C.D in my cupboard than have an illegal file on my computer
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Word has it that Red Alert 3 is going to be SecuROM-tastic as well.
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So you only watch films on your phone/mp3 player and not on your tv or computer?
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Not a pikey, just sensible, in real terms i help developers and companies in the long run by distributing there merchandise.

Film wise i would rather watch a ripped version of a dvd with out all the piracy crap options and all that shizzle, dont get me wrong tho i will goto the cinema and pay to watch but dont expect me to pay fortunes on every film that i have seen at the cinema.
So what you're saying is that it's ok to pirate movies but not games? Don't the people who make movies deserve your support as much as games developers?

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